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Number of Guests in 1996: 69
Visitor: Michael Burke Reference: Some search engine Location: Belfast, NI, currently Victoria, BC Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Sat, Dec 28, 1996 at 20:45:04 (EST)Comments: Great job! Perhaps we are related. I have been looking into my family and find lots of Burkes and Walkers with Elizabeth being a popular name. Interestingly, my grandmother's name was Elizabeth Jackson Walker and married John Walker. My mother's name was Elizabeth Walker and married Norman Burke. Therefore, both my mother and grandmother each went under the names Elizabeth Walker and Elizabeth Burke.
Visitor: Alvin Edgemon Reference: from chat room Location: Longview, WA Date: Wed, Dec 25, 1996 at 23:55:35 (EST)Comments: New to net with much to learn. I am interested in researching family but know little of where to start.
Visitor: Bill Layton Reference: Link from a guest book I checked out. Location: Jacksonville, Fl. Contact: email@example.com Date: Mon, Dec 23, 1996 at 23:52:05 (EST)Comments: Bill, Super site. I just put mine on two days ago and just started learning html. I have a lot to learn about web pages and even in genealogy . I expect to be a regular at your site. My Roots include Layton, Flusher, Burton,Turner, and Williams. Like to get some Link to other sites search any of these surnames.
Visitor: Ann Boldger Reference: From Genealogy Chat Location: Bacliff, Texas Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Mon, Dec 23, 1996 at 02:56:20 (EST)Comments: Wonderful page, Bill. Good work!
Visitor: Ronda Stewart Reference: Via chatroom Location: S.E. part of Washington State Contact: email@example.com Date: Mon, Dec 23, 1996 at 02:31:31 (EST)Comments: This is a great homepage. I am a new web user and am still trying to figure this all out. I appreciate the place to post the names I am working on and where I am with each family. On my side of the family - MACK (have traced back to 1790's SC), BLACK/FENNER (MI mid 1800's), CONNER (MN mid 1800's), VAN BRUNDT (New Amsterdam 1640's). On my husbands side of the family - STEWART (Scotland, Falkland Islands - mid 1800's), LOE (NB, KS early 1800's), CRANE (MO mid 1800's), FRANK (NY or CT 1776). I have quite abit of information, but I don't have a very good system to organize it yet!
Visitor: Alan Klein Location: Bellingham,Wash. Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Sat, Dec 21, 1996 at 22:50:02 (EST)Comments: Nicely done site! I have over 1700 genealogy links and growing. Have also have started a Genealogy On The Web Ring Stop by and join the Ring! Am researching the WHITELEY surname and especially any connections to OPAL WHITELEY. If you have a Query you'd like to post stop by and submit one. I will post ALL queries that I recieve.
Visitor: Elaine Gump (momstaxi) Reference: my homepage/bookmark from chat Location: Akron, Ohio, USA Contact: email@example.com Date: Thurs, Dec 12, 1996 at 23:06:21 (EST)Comments: You can tell you have done ALOT of WORK on this project, GOOD JOB!!! I have been here before but guessbook was down or I didn't have much time... Here are some of the names I am searching they are my kids direct lines: Acree, Bethel, Brown, Bruce, Burdine, Chambers, Clark, Fluharty, Greene, Gump, Higgins, Horner, Ives, Johnson, Journigan, McLaughlin, Miller, Morrow, Moss, Myer, Nix, Palmer, Perry, Pool, Postlewaite, Shreve, Slider, Talkington, Wade, Weeks of course I have other names to go with these too. Come check out my page often I will be adding more a little at a time.
Visitor: Jan Morton Reference: you signed my guestbook Location: Australia Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Thurs, Dec 12, 1996 at 02:57:17 (EST)Comments: Hi Bill, thanks for visiting my page, mainly researching Cromb, Cramb, Cram, Crom names of Scottish origin, worldwide. See my page for related surnames. See you in chat
Visitor: Vicki Sue Kohr Reference: Genealogy Chat Location: LaSalle, IL Contact: chugs@TheRamp.net Date: Wed, Dec 11, 1996 at 02:27:43 (EST)Comments: Thanks for the opportunity to post the names I am researching, Bill. I really enjoyed your pages. I am researching the names Donna (Torino, Italy), Schell (Sandy Lake, PA), Heim, Starkey, Boggio (Italy), on my side and on my husband's side: Kohr, Preiser, Born, Fischer, Lehmann, and Kai. I also have a lot of info. on the names Brittingham and Croissant if anyone is interested. Thanks!
Visitor: Cathy Patterson Reference: returning your visit to my home page Location: Oakland, CA, now in Portland, OR Contact: email@example.com Date: Sun, Dec 08, 1996 at 19:16:40 (EST)Comments: Hi Bill, Thanks for stopping by my homepage. I always enjoy chatting with you in the Genie Chat Room. I am researching the names Moriarty, Finnegan, Hanrahan, Rooney and O'Donnell (from Ireland) McDonald, poss. Scots-Irish, Pashby and Ingram, England. On my husband's side, the names I'm researching are Patterson, Fisher, Wofford, Crabtree, and Sullivan.
Visitor: Mary Wolfe Reference: just clickin away Location: West Virginia Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Sun, Dec 08, 1996 at 02:39:34 (EST)Comments: am totally new at this and dumber than a box of rocks. Names I am researching are Skelly, Dunmire, Dunmyer, and Wolfe
Visitor: Grannyma (to be called Peggy) Reference: thru genealogy chat Location: Panhandle of Texas Contact: email@example.com Date: Sun, Dec 08, 1996 at 01:15:24 (EST)Comments: No comment at this time.....
Visitor: Denise Reference: Genealogy Chat Location: Genealogy Chat Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Sat, Dec 07, 1996 at 00:09:19 (EST)Comments: I'm very serious about genealogy and have had great luck with Roots but just fun with genealogy chat. I'm doing Alexanders of PA and Taylors of OH this year.
Visitor: J. Freeman Reference: chat Location: Vancouver Island, BC Canada Contact: email@example.com Date: Fri, Dec 06, 1996 at 00:49:37 (EST)Comments: Seeking info on Freeman, Freeland, Snowdon(en), Page, Reilley, Ede, Hintz, Kuen, Peterson
Visitor: Ruth E. Hall Reference: Through WBS Location: Toledo Ohio Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Wed, Dec 04, 1996 at 15:01:50 (EST)Comments: Great page!! See you in chat. ruthh
Visitor: Beverly Harrel Reference: genealogy chat Location: Chillicothe, Ohio Contact: email@example.com Date: Wed, Dec 04, 1996 at 02:40:39 (EST)Comments: No comment at this time.....
Visitor: Karen Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Pennsylvania (grew up in the Carolinas) Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: November 25, 1996Comments: I like your page. I'm researching these names and others: Biery (Biere, Beary), Boyer, Daniels, Evans, Heartter, Kaufman (Kauffman), Klinger, Martin, McMurray, Randall, Roland, Ross, Stepp, Bishop
Visitor: Will Moneymaker Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: WV Contact: email@example.com Date: November 24, 1996Comments: Need help finding a family member? We have a few Genealogy CD-ROM's that might have who you're looking for.
Visitor: Ralph Leavitt Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: New Orleans Louisiana Contact: Bayouboy@ix.netcom.com Date: November 22, 1996Comments: Great page Bill!!! I loved that opening poem. I'll add your page as a link on mine when I ever get around to finishing it heheh..I am looking for info on (BRIANT, GOODWIN, TIRRE and LOVET in normandy france before 1066 AD. ) Seeya in web chat Bill and slaute!
Visitor: Karen Jo Montez Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: San Diego County, California Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: November 21, 1996Comments: Researching surnames of: Baker, Murphy, Brookes, Stubbs, Glazier, Wysong, Rucker, Titus, Gagnier, Montez, Maynard, Olson, Keckevoct. Whew that enough?
Visitor: Neil Lawrence Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Tooele Ut Date: November 19, 1996Comments: I am looking for info about the Spikerman family and the Molgard family
Visitor: Joanie Hartman Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Woodlake, CA Contact: email@example.com Date: November 18, 1996Comments: Hi Bill....wow! This has been a fantastic visit.....I believe I visited your homepage once in its infancy but you have some of the most fascinating and unusual information in your page that I have yet seen. I am completely boggled to learn that we have several surnames in common and NO LINK....UGH! The main names I am researching are Thomson, Murphy, Davison, Swartz, O'Connor, Stampf, Goring, Butkus and White. However, names we have in common are: Cain, Cavanaugh, Spears, Thompson. Good Luck to you and your sister and sorry for being my usual wordy self *grin*. Lil'Joan
Visitor: Phalene Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Anchorage, Alaska Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: November 13, 1996Comments: Bill-Thanks for all the help you have given me. I really appreciate it. Currently I am researching the following names: Lebeau, Sicard, Lachance, Lafontaine - All in Quebec.
Visitor: Joan Fillmore Reference: From SherryA's Home Page Location: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA Web Info: Just family stuff for now Contact: email@example.com Date: November 10, 1996Comments: I am researching the following lines in genealogy. Lamb, Fillmore, Dosser, Selfridge, Woodbury, Naylor, Meeks.. Just to name a few.
Visitor: Teno Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Cairo,Georgia Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: November 06, 1996Comments: Nice Homepage Bill, haven't chatted with you for awhile, was just surfing my bookmarks.
Visitor: Sharlene Goodwin Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Winston, New Mexico Contact: email@example.com Date: November 05, 1996Comments: Am starting search on mother's side of family with very little info except my memory. Grandfather side is where I want to start & think I have quite a bit of info. Masonic Lodge 32nd degree, Had songs published in WW2.Harry E(I think) Ross, from Scotland, came here when he was 14 & was in WW1.
Visitor: David Sylvester Reference: Pergatory Guestbooks Location: Searsport, Maine WebSite: David's Genealogy Page Web Info: Genealogy, especially in New England Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: November 04, 1996Comments: I'm pleased to announce the following four email surname lists for the discussion of genealogy and their respective related names: DYER, MERRY, SYLVESTER, and WASHBURN. To subscribe (using DYER as an example), send email to:MAISER@rmgate.pop.indiana.edu and put SUB DYER in the body of the message (not the subject line - anything you put in the subject line is ignored). You may subscribe to any or all in the same message. List owner is Yours Truly. I hope all interested will join me.
Visitor: DiAnne Perez Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Native Californian Contact: email@example.com Date: November 04, 1996Comments: Mixed. Curious. Perplexed. We hardly know each other and we're sharing feelings? What do you really want here? I am searching my family roots and am caught up in the net, wandering around. Saw your name and thought I'd drop you a line. My handle is gachong. It means friend in the indigenous language of the Chamorro people who inhabit Guam. Seemed like a good choice to me, but maybe it sounds too foreign or strange. Oh well. See you in the chat room.
Visitor: Leona Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Mt. St. Helens country, Washington state Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: November 04, 1996Comments: Really enjoyed your page. Have not got one myself yet. But I am getting some real good ideas for one. TTYL on Wbs.
Visitor: Cindy Pegg Reference: From SherryA's Home Page Location: Illinois Contact: email@example.com Date: November 03, 1996Comments: The surnames I am researching are Arman, Ellis, Pegg, Clark, Pankey, Slimp, Grisham, Phy, Rhine, McAfee, Towle, Hackney and many more. Would like to here from anyone researching any of these names to see if we can share info.
Visitor: jedangel Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Ohio Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 31, 1996Comments: Bill, really enjoyed your page, you have done a great job and have very imformative links.
Visitor: Ann Reference: Pergatory Guestbooks Location: Bill knows Contact: email@example.com Date: October 31, 1996Comments: You make your sister (notice I didn't say older) proud. You're my favorite baby brother. BunMom
Visitor: John Cheropita Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Alberta Canada Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 30, 1996Comments: No comment at this time.
Visitor: B Hall Reference: Pergatory Guestbooks Location: Florida Contact: email@example.com Date: October 28, 1996Comments: Researching: Dutcher, Eagen (Egan), Hall, Henderson, Hobby, Palmer, Shear, Winne! Please let me know if these mean anything to you. Thank you!
Visitor: Carolyn R.Green Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: East Texas resident at present Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 27, 1996Comments: Hi Bill, Glad to see your going full tilt. I think I'm finally going to be able to do something more with my page now that my puter's had a modem transplant. Back to chat now & will check back again. Grammer(Carolyn)
Visitor: Paul Medenwaldt Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Anoka Minnesota Date: October 26, 1996Comments: just curious about Medenwaldt!!!
Visitor: Eva Griffin Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Hermiston, OR Contact: email@example.com Date: October 25, 1996Comments: Great page------ researching McMillin(McMillan), Whiteley, Harmon, Ventura, Younger
Visitor: Pennie Harvey (Dorese) Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: CA Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 22, 1996Comments: I'm researching the names: Cox, Duffell, Dokken, Harvey, Barrett and Reynolds. Great Home Page Bill!!!!!!!!
Visitor: Ruth Munson Anderson Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Naugatuck, CT Contact: email@example.com Date: October 22, 1996Comments: Searching for Nathaniel Tuttle, anc./des. Jefferson, NH, pre 1900. Have Munson, Treat history back to England
Visitor: Mary Kurila ( Mary A.K.) Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Madison, Ohio Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 21, 1996Comments: You have a very informative homepage... All the work you have done on it certainly shows! I am researching the following names: Wright, Snyder, Stocksdale, Olive, Mumma, Oakes, Woolsey, Leatherow, Dunbar, Neff, Deardorff, Thomas, Baker, Cook, Oberholtzer, Kurila, Richnavsky,Stano, Peless........
Visitor: Carole Reference: Pergatory Guestbooks Location: Kentucky Contact: email@example.com Date: October 21, 1996Comments: I do not have a homepage yet. I'm so new to all this that I haven't figured out how to do much.
Visitor: Pat Johnson (lovise) Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Mankato, Minnesotas Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 21, 1996Comments: I am new to genealogy and wbs. Love the chat room and all the help from everyone is wonderful! My ancestors are mostly Norwegian and I am just starting, but the names are Myhr, Aspaas, Reinelt, Joach, and Seltun!
Visitor: Pat Lowe Reference: Pergatory Guestbooks Location: Mt. Airy, GA Contact: email@example.com Date: October 21, 1996Comments: I am new to the internet and genealogy. I am a PC A+ certified computer tech, and I am searching Smith, Lowe, Marks, Reed, Awtrey, Busha, and many others
Visitor: Ola Reference: Pergatory Guestbooks Location: Tennessee Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 20, 1996Comments: Like your homepage. My surnames are listed on my page and I will be adding many more as I have some time. Please check back later.
Visitor: Gina Kirkland (cheetles) Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: same place as before!!! Contact: email@example.com Date: October 17, 1996Comments: Forgot to mention how cool this page is!!! You have ALOT of stuff here. I'll be sure to add it to my page went I finally get to doing my linkage!!!!!
Visitor: Gina Kirkland (cheetles) Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Blairsville, PA Contact: gmkst12 @pitt.edu Date: October 17, 1996Comments: Hi Bill....came to visit after reading your comment in my guestbook! Don't know much about the names that your are working on...but I will keep them in mind!
Visitor: Ruth Anne Miller Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Just East of KCMO Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 17, 1996Comments: Great fun chatting with you in WBS genealogy chat! I visit your page often. I'm looking for the following names (just a few): Miller, Dix, Hedges, Barker, Wann, Craft, Ritchie, Walters, Rushing, Grindle, Settle & Klouchek.
Visitor: Carol Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Montana Contact: email@example.com Date: October 17, 1996Comments: I'm researching the surnames of Martin, Ladow, Chase.
Visitor: Brigette Reference: Pergatory Guestbooks Location: Pennsylvania Web Info: Genealogy ,clipart, Fun & Entertaining Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 16, 1996Comments: Hi Bill, Nice pages. I had I had a chance to visit you. It is laid out very nicely and is easy to get around in. I will come back again and visit you, and share it with others as well. Keep up the Great Work you are doing.
Visitor: Pamela S. Hall Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Mississippi via California Contact: email@example.com Date: October 16, 1996Comments: No comment at this time.
Visitor: Terry Good Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Odessa, Texas Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 15, 1996Comments: Sirnames: Good, Kazee, McBroom, Sullivan, Tolbert, Weise, Cowling, Oates, Williams, any Pawnee Indian, Dickinson from Tenn. Guess that's about it for now.
Visitor: Rose Brown Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Columbia, South Carolina Contact: email@example.com Date: October 15, 1996Comments: Caught you wbs. Came to check out your page. Researching: White, Forister/Forrester, Jackson, Hooten, Pitts, Faulkner, Hill, Reves/Reeves. See at wbs!
Visitor: Debra Reference: Word of Mouth Location: Texas Web Info: genealogy Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 14, 1996Comments: I am searching for information on the Benedict family from P.A.
Visitor: Carol Aasland-Hicks *Hapnin* Reference: From WBS Genealogy chat Location: Canada Contact: email@example.com Date: October 14, 1996Comments: I am looking for family from Norway: Bokn, Rogaland and Telemark and Aust-Agder. Come visit my page!!! Thanks Bill, great page!!!
Visitor: glenda (the gdwitch) Reference: Justed Surfed On In! Location: Bremerton, Wa - near Seattle Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 13, 1996Comments: Looking for Castalow, Deeds, Nichols, Farnsworth, Duckworth - Missouri Roots.
Visitor: Waddie "Bos'n Mate" Salmon Reference: Surfed in from WBS Genealogy Chat Location: Lynchburg, Virginia Contact: email@example.com Date: October 13, 1996Comments: Hi Bill! Super page! A lot of time and effort put into it. Will be back to check it again on occassion. Thanks for building it!
Visitor: Mildred Long Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Brewton, AL Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 13, 1996Comments: Hi Bill; I have heard you chatting on WBS and had to come in and sign your Guestbook. Neat homepage. I don't have one...don't know how to get one...want one...I'm MsRascal on WBS...
Visitor: "Nanett" Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Washington State Contact: email@example.com Date: October 13, 1996Comments: I enjoyed your pages, you had a couple of names the same, like Gilbert of course, mine are from Tenn. then back to Maryland in the early 1700's. I'm still learning on how to do pictures and stuff on my page, you did a great job!
Visitor: WISPat Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Wisconsin Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 13, 1996Comments: Bill, you have a wonderful bunch of pages. You have put a lot of work into them. I just hope mine looks better someday. See you in Chat.
Visitor: CBRealtor Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Colorado Contact: Wilcoxon@ix.netcom.com Date: October 13, 1996Comments: Surnames that we are working on, any assistance would be most welcome!
Shirley's: Allen, Alston, Ayers, Baker, Bates, Beals, Becker, Bishop, Blossom, Bradley, Braun, Brown, Browne, Butler, Carr, Clifford, Congleton, Conyers, Copwell, Cutter, Davis, Dicks, Dillon, Dreiling, FitzRandolph, Fones, Griffith, Grimes, Hall, Hallett, Hartshorne, Hatfield, Hetfield, Heilson, Hodgson, Holley, Huff, Hyde, Jackson, Knapp, Knox, Langton, Lee, Lockwood, Lundy, Martin, Melyn, Middlemore, Mills, Moore, Ogden, Olmstead, Porter, Pugh, Ramsey, Riedel, Rolleston, Seaman, Searing, Skinner, Stanley, Stites, Stremel, Strickland, Stuyvesant, Thatcher, Thrift, Tucker, Underhill, Utley, Washburn, White, Winans, Windholz, Winthrop, Woolsey, Wright, Wylmer***
Bob's: Appes, Atherton, Baldock, Bandrib, Bird, Boltwood, Brunner, Cathcart, Clark, Coldwell, Collins, Cooper, Cosgriff, Downing, Foote, Gardner, Goode, Hall, Harrison, Hopkins, Hoskinson, Ingalls, Ingram, Jones, Kellogg, Levit, Lewis, Mahoney, Martin, Mathews, Montague, O'Brien, Preston, Rice, Rust, Savage, Shea, Smith, Terry, Wakeman, White, Wilcoxon
Visitor: Dave Porter......Peripheral Visionary Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: St.Clair Beach, Ontario,Canada[Windsor] Contact: kavada@MNSi.net Date: October 13, 1996Comments: Very fine page Bill...you've done a lot of work and it shows... hope to tackle one someday...see you in chat..
Visitor: Kaite Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Central Louisiana Web Info: Genealogy Contact: email@example.com Date: October 13, 1996Comments: Great Homepage!! I am searching for Dyess, Lewis, Bales, Bonnette, Byrd and Smith !
Visitor: Amy Oppel Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Originally from East Texas...Hunt County Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 13, 1996Comments: I am searching for my ancestors....surnames Oppel Toole (my maiden name) Harless Couch.....any help would be appreciated.....
Visitor: Will Moneymaker Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Follansbee, WV Contact: email@example.com Date: October 13, 1996Comments: Nice website!! May I add you to my Genealogy Link page? Visit The Moneymaker Family Tree. It takes you on a trip to learn more about the descendants of Lewis Moneymaker of Rockbridge County, Virginia.
Visitor: Rosemarie A. Denis(LaPort) Reference: From LinkExchange Location: Buffalo, NY, Living in Japan Web Info: Genealogy Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 13, 1996Comments: Hi Bill, was catching up on everyones pages. You've done a great job. Nice picture. Hubby and I like the old Gaelic Blessing. I've copied it so I can make it into a cross stitch picture for myself. I'll see you in chat. Take care of yourself.
Visitor: Santalady Reference: Word of Mouth Location: Bozeman, Montana WebSite: Olde World Santas Contact: email@example.com Date: October 13, 1996Comments: Your site if phenominal, Bill.....and you are a very special, helpful person. I have enjoyed getting to know you and you have helped more than I can ever say. Looking forward to lots of good chatting ahead!!
Visitor: (McLaughlin) Catherine Anderson Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Who Knows Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 13, 1996Comments: Just out resighning guestbooks. See you in chat.
Visitor: Karen Hazelton Lashin Reference: Word of Mouth Location: California Contact: email@example.com Date: October 13, 1996Comments: I am searching the Surnames of Hazelton, Parker, Bruce, Whitney, Edgar, Warren...
Visitor: Sherry Koshney Reference: Just Surfed On In! Location: Canada Web Info: Genealogy and links galore Contact: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: October 13, 1996Comments: HI Bill resigning your guestbook! I'm researching Wannamaker-Lander-Koshney-Suchla and many others!